LL
last week i was in hong kong on a holiday and ran into some jws.
i was in a large shopping mall and noticed a number of jws holding out a pamphlet to passerbys.
before i knew it there was one walking towards me and stopped right in front of me stopping me from moving forward.. the jw was virtually shoving the pamphlet towards me and said i would like to offer you this pamphlet that directs you to a web site that will answer all your questions that you have about life.
i went to the meeting this morning and we had some guy from overseas bethel give the public talk.
6 countries subsidize the rest.
he said in some countries all the donations that they get from contributions don't even pay the electricity bill for the branch buildings so money has to come in from these 6 richer countries.
Hoser ... Was this a begging for money talk, green handshakes, welcomed??? lol
lol Just because someone says something... Back it up with facts, Bethel speaker guy... Show us the accounts. or or is he too embarrassed because he knows JW.org is a billion dollar enterprise.
LL
i sent my dad the fred franz talk "my story" when he somewhat candidly discusses the failed prophecies, 1925 etc.
i was hoping it would plant a seed of doubt in his heart.
however my parents eat sleep and breathe wt.
Anyone, for any length of time involved with JW.org, has been abused. It is an abusive religion.
Your parents are traumatized so much, (just as WT/JW.org hopes) that they have lost touch with reality. They are not planning on a future, but the GB certainly is.
Look up Stockholm Syndrome.
When 10 more years go by, and your parents are wondering where is this promised paradise, will they think, huh, GB moved into swanky new digs in New York, I guess they plan ahead??? Gosh, Mabel (names have been changed) maybe we should have worked and saved for our retirement and we should have done some of the things that would have made us happy. The GB sure look happy.
Your parents and most JW's aka JW.org do not have their hand out. They are mostly kind hearted people, but not deep thinkers. They give and GB don't give back except to give empty promises of paradise, mean while , back on the farm, GB are basking in ego boosting glory, vacations, and golf in the winter down in Florida.
I feel so sorry for your parents. Giving up a job to pioneer? GB tell people to pioneer and emotionally abuse people but insinuating if you are not a pioneer, then Jehovah won't love you. GB don't worry about rent or mortgage payments, or medical or dental health. Not only do they not worry about making car payments, they have chauffeured driven car rides. As long as they can keep brow beating, sorry, suckers, to give them money every month, they are whistling a happy tune.
LL
i was raised as a jehovahs witness.
currently i still am part of a congregation, which i gather is also the case for many who come here.
i no longer consider them god's chosen people.
Moses Joe , Hello. It is always nice to meet thinking people. Welcome.
LoisLane
yesterday i drove to mcdonalds and noticed that the nearby kingdom hall had the new blue jw.org logo.. the rebranding has started here in holland.. g.. .
@Gorbatchov
LL
things ex-jw's need to know in order to heal and move on.. ***.
1.you cannot change what you refuse to confront.. look at how you are feeling most of the time.
that sense of going nowhere and feeling down is not because you aren't spritual enough.
some day far in the future, will we be looked upon as suffragettes who abolished cults with tenacity, courage and outspokenness?.
will future generations shudder at the backwardness of cultures that permitted cults to flourish, and not comprehend how this could have happened?.
will they be grateful for being spared death and suffering at the hands of cults because of what we are doing to expose them and reduce their growth?.
Anne Marbury Hutchinson, baptized 1591, in Alford, Lincolnshire, England, married and with children, came to the New World in 1634, as a Puritan spiritual adviser, to fight for greater religious freedom.
She accomplished a lot, before being killed by the local Indians in 1643 at her farm in Pelham Bay, New York.
For her gallantry, and her firm stand on challenging the authority of religious ministers and also not believing women had to be subservient to their husbands, but be partners instead, in 1922, a statue of herself and her daughter, Susannah, was erected in her honor, on the state grounds, in Boston, Massachusetts. There is a plaque that reads, she was a "Courageous Exponet of Civil Liberty and Religious Toleration".
Partly, because of Anne's standing up for what was right, her descendants and all of America, live in religious freedom, to choose which religion one wants to participate in, or not.
It took Anne, 279 years to be recognized with a statue for her outspokenness in regards to religious freedom.
Jehovah's Witnesses, JW.org, are such little peanuts. When their door knocking and rolly carts disappear, most people will just heave a sigh of relief. Most of the world just wants them to go away.
I wish there was some thought to the walking wounded. This site, JWN, Barbara Anderson and SilentLambs , plus many others, are trying to get the word out.
I can not offer a statue or any recognition to any who woke up before me, and I don't know how leaving JW.org will get anyone into the history books. But when I post, I hope I can reach someone's heart and help them realize, JW.org is just a man made up business.
LL
PS I hope, in the future, America, the Land of Freedom, will tweek a law, that says, yes, you can have a religious organization, but the people of the United States of America, will have the freedom, to walk away from it, WITHOUT ANY REPERCUSSIONS.
LoisLane and 3 gold stars
some day far in the future, will we be looked upon as suffragettes who abolished cults with tenacity, courage and outspokenness?.
will future generations shudder at the backwardness of cultures that permitted cults to flourish, and not comprehend how this could have happened?.
will they be grateful for being spared death and suffering at the hands of cults because of what we are doing to expose them and reduce their growth?.
The ONLY reason JW's think they are the best religion is because their abusive 'mother' JW.org TELLS them that.
"Mother", JW.org, controls and restricts by abuse.
In the real world, people walk around dog poo , and forget about it the same instant.
I would like to think, somewhere in time, those who oppose and get out of JW.org will be touted as the courageous and strong minded ones.
That I am out and free and old friends are still caught up and inside is so sad.
LL
Label Licker. In your 3rd paragraph above. Lisa Rose commented on it.
Jealousy and envy. It doesn't make sense to you and you don't get it, because you are good, with good motives.
Why would the sub circuit overseer need to lie? What was in it for him? Someone was going to hand him 2 tickets for a vacation in the Caribbean? It wouldn't be the first time.
I knew a bro who would give the circuit overseer his credit card for the week. Yes, this bro had a lot of money. lol But in time, he was found out and charged for using inferior products and not up to code construction. I guess not everyone was out for a green hand shake. lol
LL
yesturday, i was talking to a friend and she said that in order to get a degree from a local college, they require a completed a public speaking course.
i said that was no problem, because i had been in a public speaking school for 40 years.
she looked at me like i had three heads.
@Dagney. What an excellent comment. lol
LL
We had one MSO with a Masters degree. lol He liked to council like he was a Professor and tearing apart all talks was constructive criticism. lol He didn't last too long. Everybody complained. lol